How do you level the dual extruders & bed, i3 PRO C

osem · Post by **osem** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:53 pm

same problem. its very difficult to leveling the bed. when will you take video?

osem · Post by **osem** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:27 am

i had got same problem. i solved it. one of the nozzle was higher than the other about 0.8 mm. But the measuring, you have to buy a caliper. if you completed the assemble, changing nozzle is very difficult. i tooked off all of extruder parts and changed it. despite this i might damaged the nozzle.

zhangxueyou · Post by **zhangxueyou** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:58 am

Hi, everyone ,this is the video of how to level dual extruder:
https://youtu.be/XGpcueIfUn8

ritzy · Post by **ritzy** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:35 pm

Since getting my Geeetech Prusa i3 PRO C dual extruder 3D printer about a month ago no matter how many times I pulled the extruder apart and tried to get both extruder's the same hight, I couldn't.

Not saying I'm not happy with the printer or Geeetech. As both have been great. The printer wasn't too hard to put together and think they have fixed most of the issues they have found to sell a printer that is pretty much build and print. Deliver was amazing with the item taking around 5 days to arrive from China To Melbourne, Australia. Plus the email support for pre sales has been quick and concise. The Wiki and forums has also been a great source of information to complete the addition of the Auto bed levelling, but thats a different topic.
Once built with minimal adjusting I managed to print a small object straight away no problem. So thats a big win in my book.

Now back to my winging.

As the extruder are not the same hight when you go to print an object that was big enough for the second extruder to travel over the printed part from first extruder it would either damage the print or pull the printed part off the bed.

After taking the extruder off and on like 15 times over the month to get it working I had screwed the second extruder up high and used it as a single extruder printer. Till today. I found the energy to give it another go.
After messing around for a few hours, I came to the conclusion that its just a design flaw and the threads where slightly different. So no matter how much i played with it, as is it wouldn't work.
As to get the extruder's even close to level one extruder needed to turn half a turn around and then both the extruder's Y Axis was different.
This wasn't so much of an issue as you can fix that with an offset but you still cant get them to be millimetre (sorry America we have real measurements here) perfect.

With such small differences making an impact i thought there had to be a better way and thought if there could be a way to mod the design. Figured as I cant use the second extruder if i damaged it in the mean time wouldn't be a big deal to wait till a new one arrived.

What I came up with was to drill out the thread (i know but stay with me

) in the hole where one of the extruder's screwed in. This way it could slide up and down to get it exactly the same as the other.
I then drilled a hole in the side and threaded it with a M5 Tap set. As I didn't have a Tap and Die set I was lucky to find a 3 piece Tap set with M5,M6 and M8 for around $10 aus. As the my extruder mechanism is Aluminium, which is very soft. I suggest you do much smaller hole then normal then Tap that.
Once this new hole was drilled and had a thread I then put in a M5 Grub Screw.
The reason I went with a M5 was that if I made a mistake or the thread didn't work I could then go up a size in the Taps I bought. Though seeing as though this was my first experience with threading something I did a few tests on a scrap bit of metal first.

You can see the black grub screw in the pictures, I have circled them in red. The location I did the hole for the grub screw I put in green. Sorry for the bad pictures I didn't think about posting my idea till after it was all back together and working.

So the process to get them the same was to set the un-modified extruder to the correct high that would reach the bed before the mounting hardware. Then slide up and down the other extruder till that was correct.
Basically using the same method posted above in you tube video but with the modded extruder being able to be adjusted to perfection.
The nut that you normally have to use to set the extruder high, is still needed to be tightened as this holds the 2 parts of the extruder mount together. But the top part is held in my the grub screw, so just need the bottom one.
I also noticed that that when i tightened the nut it would change the high ever so slightly so found the amount it would change by and added this to the hight so when you tightened it, everything was at correct hight.

Please let me know if you needed something explained better if I haven't made sense. Hope this helps your issue like it has mine.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:56 pm

good idea! but hard to do....I wonder will the filament leak out from the grab screw?

ritzy · Post by **ritzy** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:55 pm

Only thing i have noticed is where you would normally bolt the 2 extruder parts together with the extruder tip bolt it works better if you drill a small hole and use a small bolt and nut to secure therese as it keeps the whole lot together much better.

This is not just with this mod but with the design in general. As when you dealing with 0.1 of a mm little things matter.

The filament can't leak out as you push into the hole at one end and it one piece to the nozzle.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:12 pm

I see, thanks mate.

ritzy · Post by **ritzy** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:18 pm

If you look at the blue mark in attached picture this is where i recommend a bolt on each side if you have double extruders.

This makes sure that the 2 parts of the extruder say square where you put them.

jroberts235 · Post by **jroberts235** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:53 am

I am having the same issue with the 2C-Pro. The second extruder is almost a liability. It will hit the object being printed sometimes and cause chaos. I finally just removed the extruder tip to get it out of the way. I also put small aluminum blocks under the bed to level it better than just using the 3 screws. This helped me get just the single extruder to finally print accurately I am looking for a circular glass bed to replace the stock aluminum bed. I would really like to see a video of a successful technique to get both extruders level in relation to the bed.

ritzy · Post by **ritzy** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:37 pm

Before you get them level in relation to the bed you need to get them exactly level from the mounting block to the tip of the extruder.
Even a little out the second extruder will either hit the print or be to high for quality printing.

Once i had it modded with the grub screw I then printed one of the parts below to get them the same. Some people have found washers work but personally I think the final solution is my method to mod the second extruder.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:67714
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:126307

Once you have the extruder tips exactly correct then it's just a matter of having a level bed. Best fixed with auto bed leveling.

Hope this helps.

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