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Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:44 pm
by Hajo
Recently the printer heating bed switches off after 1-2 hours of printing time and the printer part comes off the printing plate (all other functions are ok). After cooling all printer parts to room temperature, I can start the printer again with full function. After some time the heating will turn off again.
Is the power supply overloaded and turns off or is this a motherboard error?
Note: The printer has worked flawlessly for many hundreds of hours and this error occurred for the first time after a 20-hr. print.

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:42 pm
by _kaktus_
Hello.
:mrgreen:

In my opinion, your reasoning is good. :D

If an important electronic component starts to overheat, the symptoms you describe may occur.
Now you have to find out which element contributes to this. ;)

As you suggest in the first step I would check the power supply.
You can connect a voltmeter to it and monitor the readings during operation of the printer.
You can also use another PSU.

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:59 pm
by Hajo
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Here's an update: In between, the heating did not work anymore. A check of all voltages directly at the PSU resulted in 12.35 V at all outputs and no voltage at the print bed connection. After a reset on the mainboard, the function was back.
The printer works for about half an hour and then I could see that the heater failed several times briefly and then worked again until the final failure.
Standby mode: all PSU outputs 12.5 V.
during printing: all PSU outputs 12.31 V, print bed 11.4 V.
The print bed has a resistance of 0.7 ohms at room temperature.
Is it a motherboard error after all?

Hajo

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:53 am
by _kaktus_
Hi.
:mrgreen:

In order to make a good diagnosis it is necessary to measure the voltage of the power supply during a preheating failure.
;)

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:15 am
by Hajo
...Sorry, I forgot to write:
When the error occurs all voltages at the PSU are normal (12.5V) and at the heating bed 0.0V.
Is the heating bed resistance normal with 0.7 ohms? In some posts I read 3.5 ohms. (12.5V / 0.7ohm = 17.8 A !!!).
thank you for your help
Hajo

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:57 am
by _kaktus_
Hi.
:mrgreen:

You have now given very important facts.

As you noticed yourself, this is not normal.
Probably somewhere is a short circuit. Do you use metal clips :?:

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:11 pm
by Hajo
No, I do not need metal clips, heating bed and Superplate are firmly connected.
A test with a replacement PSU gave no other results and I can find no damage to the heating bed. As a precaution, I have desoldered the power indicator - LED + resistor to exclude a short circuit.
Conclusion: I will order a new heating bed! :(
Thanks for the help

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:10 am
by _kaktus_
Hi.
:mrgreen:

You know what ...
Take a very careful look at the connectors to which the cables are soldered. Maybe there is short circuit there. :?:
You can also try to change the configuration to a typical 24V configuration and perform a test. :idea:
Then the resistance of the circuit is higher.
;)

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:51 pm
by Hajo
New development :
Now I have done a printer test without bed heating, the printer has worked perfectly for 8 hours, then there was a loud bang and all fuses turned off. The control on the PSU returned 0V at all outputs. I have seen that the PSU is actually designed for 41 A, a heating current of 17-20 A on the heating bed should not be a problem. Has there been a mistake in the PSU in advance?

Re: Printer heating bed switches off

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:57 pm
by _kaktus_
Hi.
:o

In my opinion, the power supply could have been overloaded earlier.
And now the inevitable has arisen. :roll:

Not so often, but I regularly observe problems with these power supplies.
Will you show his photographs :?: